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Urbane Cyclist is a Downtown Toronto worker-owned co-operative bike shop, founded in 1997.
We want to help you with your bikes, all your parts and accessories, and share what it's like to work at a worker-owned co-op with you!
We want to help you with your bikes, all your parts and accessories, and share what it's like to work at a worker-owned co-op with you!
The Best Bike Accessory You Didn't Know You Need
If you cycle in the city as your primary mode of transport the Burley Travoy Bike Trailer is a no-brainer. Already have a great bike and only need a little extra cargo capacity sometimes? This is perfect for you! There have been so many time I've regretfully had to take the transit or catch a cab when something was just a little too big to fit on a bike rack or inside my pannier bags.
Pet owners lugging kibble or litter
Gardeners hauling soil and tools
Musicians trying to transport your gear by bike
even just some regular grocery shopping - this not only acts as a fantastic bike trailer but also a great dolly between your bike and destination (Also perfect for a picnic or a day out on the Toronto island!).
The best part is it folds up nice and compact so you can store it easily under a bed, couch or in a closet. If you already have panniers you can STILL use the Travoy and it's easy to share among friends since it comes with a quick release hitch. It will even work with Bike Share bikes! We have even have had customers take it abroad to use our bike tours!
Music Courtesy of Leland Whitty
Shop with us here! www.ucycle.com/search/travoy/
CHAPTERS
00:00 - 01:22 Introduction to the Burley Travoy
01:23 - 02:10 Quick Release SeatpostHitch
02:11 - 03:53 Travoy folding Demo
03:54 - 05:05 Dolly Function, additional add-ons, features
05:06 - 06:33 Weight rating & final thoughts
Pet owners lugging kibble or litter
Gardeners hauling soil and tools
Musicians trying to transport your gear by bike
even just some regular grocery shopping - this not only acts as a fantastic bike trailer but also a great dolly between your bike and destination (Also perfect for a picnic or a day out on the Toronto island!).
The best part is it folds up nice and compact so you can store it easily under a bed, couch or in a closet. If you already have panniers you can STILL use the Travoy and it's easy to share among friends since it comes with a quick release hitch. It will even work with Bike Share bikes! We have even have had customers take it abroad to use our bike tours!
Music Courtesy of Leland Whitty
Shop with us here! www.ucycle.com/search/travoy/
CHAPTERS
00:00 - 01:22 Introduction to the Burley Travoy
01:23 - 02:10 Quick Release SeatpostHitch
02:11 - 03:53 Travoy folding Demo
03:54 - 05:05 Dolly Function, additional add-ons, features
05:06 - 06:33 Weight rating & final thoughts
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These reviews of the Surly Long Haul Trucker bike keep popping up for me. One thing struck me in this video. He said something to the effect, "You can ride longer without pain." That can be an enormous selling point for a bicycle.
How much would you pay for this bike today ( NOS)with it being almost 4 years old?
NOS might be a stretch when its still listed online in their current catalogue. At our shop we are sold out of all sizes now now but there is still some available stock to order at the distribution. Most bike companies don't stick to a new model/colourway every year anymore, so yes it may have been introduced around then but it was still current inventory for the past number of years. I think its worth the listed price honestly but it sounds like you are hunting for a deal? Depends on how bad you need a solid touring bike!
Great video!! Thanks for all the info !! So helpful !
i bought a postman's bicycle for 70 euros. it has a 60 cm x 40 cm platform on the front and i had well over 100 kg on it one time. rides real nice. i can keep it outside because it's old, beat up, and not very appealing for theft.
Love those bikes! Sadly those bikes are super rare in Canada. The good news is if you wanted to increase the load capacity - the travoy could work with that bike too!
Very interesting product and I can see how it would be very handy however it’s pricey. I am just getting back into cycling after 18-19 years and I find that there are many products for cyclists that are overpriced for what they are and this is one of those products. $400 cad for a foldable dolly that attaches to pipe is a bit much. Then if you need a couple compartments the lower bag is around $200 cad and the upper bag is about $177 cad. WOW!! This product seems to be very overpriced to me. Are there any similar products that are more budget friendly?
I've seen people try to replicate this with an actual dolly. And it works although it doesn't fold and would not roll smooth or fast at speed and would also be quite loud. So for short distances that might be an option but also you need to devote time to build and troubleshoot your design. I honestly think for the quality of this trailer - it's pretty fair! It's made well and has a ton of features and folds up small. What's the alternative? Pay for a cab? Buy a car? Haul your stuff on the transit? I think this trailer would pay for itself if you need to move stuff regularly!
What I keep reminding drivers is that more people riding a bike or taking the bus means fewer cars are in their way.
Seems obvious but I've had to remind drivers of this far too many times as well!
"BuT mUh BoNe CoNdUcTInG hEaDpHoNeS!"
I have been using a Brooks B17S for about a year now with the lacing holes in the sides. I just purchased a standard B17 without the lace holes. I like the lace holes because it moves those "curtains" out of the way. I am thinking of punching some lace holes into my newly purchased standard B17. Do you see any problem with me doing that. I already ordered a proper leather punch tool and I have some paracord I plan to use for the lace.
I've seen people retroactively punching holes to add laces with some success, but generally that splay shouldn't happen unless the saddle has gotten wet or perhaps run at a low tension for some time. Some people even trim off those sides entirely. But if there are already deforming I think there's not much to lose at this point!
Don't buy the short haul, its a lemon.
Care to elaborate?
i hauled fire wood all winter LOVE IT
Thanks, now I got a nice overview for decission
If only more channels would show us stuff that doesn't need to be charged or have firmware updates. Simple, mechanical solutions to everyday problems. That's what bike accesories SHOULD be.
Love the design. However, a side by side road test would be a bonus. What I have specifically in mind, is its handling at speed? That angle compared to the typical cargo trailer is steep and I would think that it would lead to a squirrely following.
Riders always should exercise caution when "handling at speed". According to Burley's manual- the recommended max speed is 24km/h on smooth straight roads and should decrease to ~8km/h when turning. Just like a trailer on a car or truck - it depends greatly on how it is loaded for what is safe. Single wheel trailers will be more stable at speed but the convenience of the Travoy in an urban environment is where it really shines and 24km/h in the city with a cargo trailer is quick!
The awesome hitch and folding the travoy has did not win out for me over the off road capability of a one wheel trailer (like the oxtail or farfarer). Totally a use case preference choice I admit.
Totally agree. Single wheel is amazing off road. I've used a bob for many years and I love it for touring and even some more adventurous rides but it feels clumsy in the city exactly where the travoy seems to excel. Its like this lovely little "last meter" from bike to home or from shop to bike where most trailers are not nearly as neat (or enjoyable) to pop on and off and also continue onward without the bike!
Thanks for this. One word you used I liked was the word respect. If both those in cars as well as on a bike respected each other and know that the other person has a right to be using the road, a lot of conflict will be avoided. At 2:35 you mention that people will go around a parked car in the bike lane. All too often I see people throw a fit instead of just safely moving around and continue their journey. The other thing that stood out was you mention that if you miss a miss a street car you wait 8-9 minutes. Here in sunny Southern California you wait an hour.
I had a first-gen Travoy. I'm really surprised other companies haven't adopted the form factor. Would be nice to see some innovation/competition in the too-much-to-carry-on-a-rack/not-enough-to-justify-a-cargo-bike market.
My Burley Travoy is very nice and served me well. I haven't used it since I got my GSD, but I haven't lost hope.
I think cargo trailers often get forgotten in the urban mobility discussions. Cargo bikes are obviously amazing but cargo trailers are a nice stepping stone!
Yeah, I think for most people a cargo trailer makes more sense than a dedicated cargo bike. The raison d'être for dedicated cargo bikes is often taxiing small kids around car-infested urban environments.
I have a rear rack on my ebike but I’m not sure these will work bc my battery is right there too. I just bought the roller free version. It seems like they only work with skinny bar racks. Mine has a thicker rear rack. Plus the battery caring seems to get in the way so it won’t clip on well. I guess I have to send them back. 😢
We go over the rail sizing in detail in this video. @07:37 But yes unfortunately some ebike manufacturers are not using standard shapes and sizes for their racks now which is unfortunate! But the good news is Ortlieb makes an adapter to solve this issue- if your rack uses up to a 20mm round rail you can use this adapter that we also stock and sell www.ucycle.com/ortlieb-part-pannier-2-ql21-hooks-with-larger-20mm.html
I bought a medium rack from you lads, i love it. But the dude who sold it to me was pressuring me telling me that they may not be stocked ever again. 3 months later you had them again. It kinda left a sour taste in my mouth.
Hey sorry for the misunderstanding. There was a brief time it appeared that our Canadian distribution stopped importing and stocking them. Turns out they forgot to categorize it as a rack...so it was not visible to order in their catalogue. Just a simple human error! Once that was resolved we could reorder these in. No ill intention, just trying to be transparent with our customers!
Hello, do you happen to know what size frame was the Marin Muirwoods in this video?
Its been a while since we filmed this - it may have been a small? But you should check the sizing chart for reference and go do a test ride at your local Marin dealer to confirm the fit is right for you.
@@urbane-cyclist I checked with all the bike shops in my area (Southern California) and unfortunately they don't stock Marin Muirwoods bikes. I have to buy it online and have it shipped to the bike shop to have assembled. And from what I heard from bike store employees, either I can't return it or I can but I have to pay for return shipping. I have been eyeing the small Marin Muirwoods. The geometry looks good for me but I know different sizes have different angles and I am kind of picky on those details and wanted to see what a small looks like.
You know what, I just rewatched the video and you (or the person in the video) said specifically that these are small frames (at 3:10)
I think I need a cold shower after watching this.
Bike lanes are fine but have people riding in those lanes been taught the rules of the road? IE road signs, speed limits, watching for pedestrians etc.
I was wondering about the D7i models and noticed they do not come with a chain tensioner. Does the frame have vertical drop outs & if so, will that cause a problem as the chain wears? The Link d7i looks like it ticks all the right boxes for me with the generator hub, IGH, Big Apple tires, rear rack, fenders & biologic chain wrap. With all those features, they make a Brompton look like an expensive antique.
Both the D7i Node and Link have horizontal dropouts so no need for a tensioner. I don't really specifically address that in the video as the language around horizontal/vertical dropouts can be a bit confusing for novice/more entry level viewers and my goal was to share as many fact without getting into the weeds or confusing folks! Sorry for not clarifying -Owen
@@urbane-cyclist Thanks for clearing that up. You did a great job on the features of those bikes. Not having a tensioner is another plus feature. I should have realized Tern would have already figured that out. :)
The perfect bike for everyone but will be ignored by the majority of cyclists due to snobbery. Utilitarian. This is the way.
Very helpful, thanks for posting.
Wow. No more microshifters. Sora brifters instead.
I would think that one would want a slightly more aggressive position (nothing crazy, but a little more lean) when doing long distance touring. More aero=more efficient and energy spent is everything. Also, a bike that doesnt weigh half a metric ton.
The most important factor is comfort so you can *keep riding*. The majority touring cyclist tend to choose a more "slow and steady" approach. More aero... can mean "faster", but can also lead to more strain which may hinder your overall performance and speed for longer trips. Riding faster also burn more calories so you'll need to fuel harder which can also drag down your average speed. So if you are talking long haul riding "more aero" or a more aggressive position wont always be a considerable improvement (obviously super upright positions catch more wind and will be slower but most aero dynamic advantages are not significant under 25kms\h which most touring cyclist would not be averaging above).
@@urbane-cyclist I appreciate the response. I would like to push back a little on a couple of points though. More aero (less drag) does indeed mean faster, but it's also more efficient. Youre expending fewer calories to travel the same distance, faster. Not more calories. Also, there seems to exist this idea aerodynamics only "kick in" above certain arbitrary speeds, which is absolutely untrue. The degree to which it is effecting the rider scales obviously, but to say that under 25kph (16 mph) it isnt significant is so ridiculous I'm wondering if it was a typo. At that speed aerodynamic drag is by orders of magnitude the greatest force of resistance the cyclist is fighting against. I think youre thinking of aerodynamics as "speed" when it might be helpful to instead think of it as "fuel economy". And as far as comfort goes, thats so subjective it's impossible to base anything on. The people who ride the most miles every year generally do it on race bikes, with comparatively aggressive riding positions. Theyre not uncomfortable in doing so.
So for clarity - nothing I said is untrue - you are taking some generalizations and tendencies I've noted and tried to make them absolutes which will make them "incorrect". This is a shades of grey situation not black and white. Aero *does mean less drag* but *riding faster means more physical effort and yes that means you burn more calories* - this is well known and documented in ultra endurance racing as well and randonneuring. The extra physical effort to go faster is not in perfect balance with being more aero - *you will burn more calories riding faster*. And touring bikes tend to weight considerably more (when on tour self supported) vs high milage roadies. And a weekend warrior roadie usually take time off between large efforts vs touring cyclists that tend to ride back to back continually. Before you want to continue to discuss this in the comment section *aero discussion on touring bikes is frankly kind of silly* and you probably are not looking at the right bike if these are the things that you are considering when shopping.
@@urbane-cyclist I guess what Im trying to say is that aero discussion on touring bikes *shouldnt* be silly. It should be (and i think will be in the future) an important consideration for any serious touring cyclist or randonneur. Im just trying to introduce that discourse.
There are no rules - The UCI doesn't have any say in touring bikes spec. Anything can be a touring bike (you can do whatever you want). Buying a recumbent with a compound gearing and a fairing will be the way to get what you are after if #aeroiseverything for you.
This was great. Thank you. I'm building a MS, but this was my intial 1st choice. Love the Dt and Surly especially
A fan fave! A popular choice!
My Long Haul Trucker has served me well for thousands of loaded touring miles. A Disc Trucker in on my short list.
Right on!
My touring bike has high bars like yours. Sooooo comfortable, and you can enjoy viewing so many more things in the scenery.
I've had mine a couple years now. 1k-1500 miles a year and I absolutely love this bike.
Good to see more Orox content. Currently saving for one as this has been what I’ve wanted for 10 years! I was just waiting for someone to make it. I rode my longtail off road way before it was “possible”. Sadly, I might be a bit short for the frame so it’ll be my husband’s bike.
I'm riding a 56 cm DT. It tracks like its on rails.
My only comment is the availability of 26" tire options are not near as plentiful as the 700c world. You mentioned sizing and to generally size down if in between. I'm 5'-11" with a 33" PBH. Surly's size guided puts me in between a 54/56. By your suggestion a 54 with the 26" wheel would be the better choice and up from there as needed e.g. longer stem etc?
Your best bet is always a test ride to verify. But yes you can lengthen a stem easily but there is a logical limit to how short a stem can go. There are exceptions to going smaller but typically on a loaded touring bike being able to comfortably stand above the top tube is important. If someone has exceptionally long limbs proportionally for their height and is in between sizes - that is the exception to going smaller.
check the standover height. The medium DT has an 800 mm standover. Which is taller than most large and some extra large bikes
0:36 Obligatory "I would have eaten shit" comment. Hats off to Owen's handling skills.
What a fantastic overview! Thank you! You convinced me to get the Node D7i!
B17 carved, C17 Carved. Owned both on two bikes. They're awesome, no more butthurt and sores
hi, what is the permissible total weight including driver and luggage?
I'm going to answer your question two ways. Your maximum load, according to Marin, for the rider alone should stay under 300 lbs, or 136 kg, but the maximum load for any luggage you'd like to carry on the bike, via handlebar bag or saddle bag, should be under 30 lbs, or 14 kg, even if you as the rider are under 300 lb. These are separate categories. So even if you're a 120 lb rider, you should still keep your cargo load under 30 lbs. When you add accessories like front and rear racks into the equation, you have to make sure you stay under the weight rating of the rack AND the bike. So, if you're a large person and want to carry a lot of cargo, this bike would not be the best suited for it. The second way I'll answer your question: You should try a cargo bike if you're looking to carry a ton of stuff. If you really want to carry larger loads using the Nicasio, you should try using a trailer. We've got another video up all about trailers if you're interested in learning more.
Thank you for this precise explanation!
That recipe sounds like it really makes food, with nutrition and flavours and everything ❤
It does! You can eat it! It can be eaten!
Yeah, it goes great while chanting "Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah-nagl fhtagn".
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I’ve been saying for YEARS someone should make a large platform rack with low rider mounts! Not sure if ones have existed for a while but I wouldnt have know this one does without this video. Thanks for sharing, Urbane! (I might even swap out my velo orange porteur rack for this)
technically I think Nitto had some Campee front racks, and the Velo Orange (discontinued?) Campeur but these are still little platforms not nearly as utility driven as these Pelago Commuters! I personally think the Medium size is SUCH a good sweet spot for being big enough without getting in the way when not in use.
Surly has had one a long time if that qualifies as a large platform. Tubus makes a similar option as well as Nitto
@@michaelviglianco6121 I bought a large pelago one to my surly bridge club, i love it, but unfortunately i wasn't able to install the low rider support as it cannot fit the bridge club.I think i will order the surly front rack later.
Hey, saw your video on the fargo as well. I was buying the Ti frame Fargo. I think their last update to the frame was 2020? What specifically makes the Marrakesh a better road tourer than the Fargo, say steel? And would it still be the case for Titanium also? What specifically in the Fargo doesn't make it the first choice for a road tourer? Love your video, they are so authentic, you deserve so many more subscribers!
The Fargo has a much taller front end so if you are sitting in a headwind on the road...not as favourable. But I know lots of people use the Fargo as their all-rounder setup and if max speed on the road isn't a concern the Fargo will work fine. But keep in mind that more upright you are the more your chest will act as a wall to catch wind and the faster you try to go-the more you'll feel it! So if comparing the Fargo/Marrakesh - I would opt for the Marrakesh for more road oriented riding and the Fargo if you wanna get into more rough stuff, but both are still fairly capable on just about everything IMO. -Owen
This thing is a bicycle version of a BMW GS Adventure… Great video, I want one of these now.
Yeah the Orox totally screams adventure. It's almost hard not to daydream a little when you start to appreciate how capable it is!
I have a can of proof hide that I bought with my first brooks saddle in 2010. I have two saddles on two bikes, I haven’t been stingy on the use of it, nor do I overuse it. I’m just now getting to the point where I’m thinking of getting another can, it really does go a long way. I’ve noticed that I need to use it about twice a year on the bike that stays outside.
Can i request you to make a video on the first handlebar ( flat ) you showed in this video ( the silver one ) on your right hand ... I'm assuming its the bobbi bassi handlebar 0:36
Respectfully...no. that's a considerable time commitment on our end! If you have questions about it please leave them here and I will gladly respond to your comments 👍
Adorable!❤
Anyone know whats a good tyre pressure for this? 80kg road and gravel. I cant seem to get them right as ive never had a bike with wheels like these. Thanks
Depending on total rider/bike weight along with tire size pressures will vary. I would not start with a number- but I would first make sure you have either a pump with a gauge or a pressure gauge. The way I like to setup my tires is mainly by feel- Wider tires are going to be higher volume a generally be lower pressure while narrow tires would be lower volume but require higher pressure-if you rely on numbers too much you may be WAY off if you change your tire size or swap to another bike with a different size. I aim for the sidewalls of my tires to slightly flex out ward under load but not fold or collapse while cornering. The best way I have found to do this is stand beside your bike hold the brake of the tire to are testing and lean onto the saddle (like you would lean onto a counter) try to get a decent amount of your body weight on there and watch the side of the rear tire - you'll want to see a slight deformation on the sidewall where it meets the ground (just a little bit) this means the tire will absorb bumps but not flatten out if you hit a bump. You can adjust this lower if you are riding more off road and want more traction or harder if you want it to feel faster for tarmac. I would do a similar test by putting some weight on the bars while also holding the brakes and watch the front tire is the same way. I generally like a few less PSI in my front tire (proportion will vary depending on size!). I would then use your pump or pressure gauge to learn what pressure YOU like for your normal riding and in the future you can know what pressure to aim for without the testing! Sorry for the long comment - this might warrant a little video explanation in the future! Subscribe so you don't miss it! -Owen
@urbane-cyclist Thank you, I'll have a go!
The video Brooks shoulda made: so full of details but concise explanation of the full range! Thank you so much!
Not a bike rider here but this was FANTASTIC! Makes me want to get out my bike and start riding again! Thanks for such thorough and clear explanations. 🚴♀️☮️
Thx for the good Video. Its possible to dye an Natural Brooks saddle in black? What does i need for this Projekt?
Leather is a natural material so dyes (particularly aftermarket additional ones) may leech out and stain clothing. I Think it is likely possible but I have no experience on the subject but I'm sure there is more leather dying videos available elsewhere on UA-cam! Best of luck -Owen
@@urbane-cyclist thx
@@georgkampmann7330 as a leather craftsman black is a very difficult colour to use to change the leather colour mainly because it seems to always keep "leaking" out. Other colours can be more of a dye that penetrates the surface and excess can be wiped off with little to no "leaking" of the dye. Black leather in particular is dyed black in the process of making the leather, I suspect the other Brooks colours are also dyed in this fashion to have greater uniformity in the saddle colours. The edges are typically dyed after cutting and forming of the saddle.
@@chriscohlmeyer4735 thanks