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Thanks for the amazing videos you posted!

Doom is 2.5D period.

4:54 this is how Star Wars: Dark Forces handles its up/down aiming. It was very disorienting, but very cool at the same time :P

What if we call it 2.5D?

This is why the Ultima Underworld series are the best and first 3D game ever!

" Doors are basically moving ceilings and elevators are moving floors" Now there's a statement to keep philosophers occupied for weeks

I´m wrighting this before I watch the video. I think the rendering is 3d but the data for the maps was not. other stuff could be done like looking up and down and enemy heights but was atively not chosen to save on memory.

DOOM is not 3D, yes all the objects have 3D coordinates, but so did isometric games, is RCT a 3D game? it has so much 3D coordinates it can simulate the movement of roller coasters on tracks, but it displays in 2D sprites, and that disqualifies it from being 3D. DOOM and any engine that cannot render arbitrary polygons, but only draw vertical lines of pixels in specific lengths, don't count as 3D.

Love your channel! Quick question, what's the map shown at 1:18? It looks sick!

Neither doom or marathon are actually 3d. They are projected hallucinations of a 3d space using 2d vector coordinates. It's interesting that doom doesn't allow 5d space (think of an infinity hallway except they never intersect, and stay the same height) but the Marathon engine does. Both use the same pseudo-3d engine and mapmaking style.

Sonic 3D is 3D because it says so in the title. (I'm joking. I love Doom).

I love how people have spent 30 years debating whether Doom is 3d or 2d. Despite John Carmack, ya know, the guy that built the engine the game runs on, stating many many times that it is 2d

One fun limitation you don't mention, projectiles don't consider vertical movement as part of their speed. So at extreme angles they go super ultra fast and it's actually pretty funny

if its 3d how come my screen is 2d

Yeh I remember Dark Forces let you look up and down but the lines got distorted and weird wayyyy fast

All you had to do is make a 2 second video saying "It ain't."

I like to imagine that Doom's 3D is how 2D creatures imagine a 3rd dimension. The world is still a flat plane of sorts and there still must always be a clearly defined "floor" or "ceiling". However things within it can be over or under somehing else if they're on the right "layer" within the bounds between those floors and ceilings.

Every segment has a floor and ceiling height. There's your 3rd dimension. Of course it's 3D.

Funny how common it is for people to claim Doom is "fake 3d", "not real 3d", "simulated 3d", "2.5d", etc. Which is bollocks. Yet nobody ever mentions that the texture mapping is fake. Flat pictures don't have texture. They don't know what "fake" means or what what is fake or what dimensions are.

Wish You the best with the new life!

A masterpiece of a video. I love this description of Sunlust, and how you bring out the details. Although I have been a fan of DOOM games since about 1996 (I even had the SNES version), I am new to playing the Sunlust. I first found out about it during lockdown, but only began my journey into it recently. It is punishing for sure, but beautiful indeed. Not sure if I'll make it to God Machine, but that'll be an achievement for me if I do.

does the mod run in standard powershell or ISE?

If you see taknly the are not any PC or console games that it's real 3D all the screens are 2D the have X and Y in the order to show those images But the fact we able to show 3D stuff like cube's sphere's and other 3D model are impressive no matter for how those system's made. I mean what makes i doom less 3D that quake for example. Yes quake have better graphics and less limitesion i don't argue with that. But both game's give 3D geometry on some kind no matter the doom method is more limited. And yes im award that some screens have curve even those monitors displays 2D image no matter if the the monitor are not complete flat In the order to consider display screen or whatever the call 3D the need to display 3D objects like hologram Differently the are 2D that display with those pixel or whatever other method need this monitor in the order to work.

Thanks for the video. And im tired to explain to people why Doom isnt 3d.

Thank you, it was always blowing my mind when someone claimed "doom is not 3d". The on only thing that makes a game 3d is whether or not a player can explore a 3d environment playing the game. All technical limitations, "2.5d" etc. is just that - technical stuff and a colloquial terminology, that doesn't change the nature of a game.

Doom is 3D, you just not rendering character as 3D object and have a limited camera setting, but none the less the level had XYZ axle and characters can move in all the axle then it is a 3D.

There are tricks to have floors above floors, using platforms. Basically, reusing the floor from the room below. I remember seeing some custom maps that did this seamlessly.

I can move along X-axis, 1D. I can move along Y-axis, 2D. I can move along Z-axis, 3D. I can do all of this this in Doom, so I'm playing a 3D game. Always thought the "not 3D" statements were a bit silly.

when I was growing up in the 90s, I thought Doom was called 2.5D because of the prominence of sprites ...

I was gonna wait till I beat go2it before I did anything harder but you convinced me to torture my self wish me luck.

What’s the maps shown at 1:03 and 1:25?

Excellent visualizations

No room above room.... the house says otjerwise

I always wondered how the Doom code was so well-optimized and if it was truly 3D - thanks for answering both questions so concisely! I've also noticed how much respect many people from Eastern Europe have for early PC games, and it always makes me smile. Thank you!

Doom is mathematically 2D, but visually 3D. Much like our reality. A hologram.

The use if the bunny song was ingenious lmao

i love historical retrospectives like this. what is the wad at 5:22 though?

If Sunlust proves anything it's that John Carmack was right when he said "Story in Video games is like Story in porn. You expect it to be there, but you aren't there for it"

how big maps can you make of this? Is it possible to make a world big as skyrim?

That’s because Doom isn’t 3D.

I love the level design in SUNLUST, but the slaughter map volume of enemies ruins it for me.

Great content

Your use of music during the vertical look demonstration is impeccable.

Even though the enemies and objects are sprite based, the game itself in its entirety is 3D. There is no such thing like 2.5D. People must stop being so gullible. A game is either 2D or 3D in nature, respectively how it plays. I know games like Pandemonium on Playstation and how game journalists started to throw the 2.5D nonsense around like cheap candy. Yet most people never got behind this useless confusion. Even Crash Bandicoot, the first Crash Bandicoot on Playstation, is a 3D game.

Well actually, Doom is a 3D Game, the sprites are 2D so john romero combined the 3D with 2D to make a 2.5D game and you may probably disagree about my response, but well, baldi's basics haves the same thing as doom, the 2.5D games are like 2D and 3D combined together, Because the maps are 3D but the sprites are 2D and the sprites are made by frames, same with the rotation

🤣You just made me realize "Wait, can anything projected from a 2D screen/surface be considered true 3D?" Semantics: always fun at parties.

Legendary vid

Doom is 2.5 D

It doesn’t exactly matter how many “D’s” doom has, people (at least I) call doom 2d because of the rendering engine. Dwarf fortress has 3 axes to account for height, but its still 2d.

Insane editing man! Got me really hooked on the video. Can tell you put insane time to it 💪🏻