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Great video my friend and Adam is the man!

Great video, very accurate analysis. In my 4.5 years in the game as a watch collector and enthusiast, I collected a lot from MAMACOO I was thinking I was able to get a blue SD but I'm not vip enough, but I'm not giving up. Hehe. Great video.

When it comes to fine imitation watches, MAMACOO delivers. I've bought from them several times, and I've never been let down.

"You can very clearly see..." The lie detector test determined that was a lie. I'm guessing it's more apparent in person but via YT these look the same.

Running out of video ideas?

Dumb move! Don’t do it!

If I was to buy vintage and new in Omega Seamaster, - vintage I would get a Blue Peter Blake, gorgeous piece. If I was going today, I’d get a new Green Sea weed. I currently own the old blue 2531.80, which I love and Not for sale! You could say I’m Emotionally Bonded to it!😜😜👍😃

The dial color also look different between these 2 references. Interesting

Great video!

there's nothing better than the original version of this watch that was on the Moon. Everything else is a tribute version, so arguing about a millimetre bewteen version x+30 years and version y, is futile.

Great video! The lug-to-lug of the newer one is 47 mm, the older one is 48 mm, and now your video explains just how they shaved that 1 mm.

A good trade, subtle but meaningful differences

I chose the 1861 over the 3861 at the AD. This reinforces my choice.

Crazy you figured this out - I always knew something about the 3861 case bothered me. Lug profile is very different!

I much prefer the 3861! Better proportions, better movement, better bracelet better dial. But to each their own...

3861 is more symmetrical, the 1861 crown guard sticks out more. The 1861 crown is also smaller and more recessed which makes it a pain to wind...

you made the change, congrats, looks good

Have you measured the dial and crystal? Somehow the 3861’s dial looks bigger?. I have the 1861, bought it before 3861 came along so I didn’t really look too much into it as I am not about to buy another speedy pro except maybe the white or the new FOIS 😅

This is splitting hairs to the N-th degree.

Excellent decision imo👌🏽. I had the same situation, previous and new in front or me, I chose the 1861 and never looked back. It wears better, it doesn’t look “perfect” and the white stands out more from far, I don’t know more details or why, but I actually don’t like the new one at all.

I feel ya! Having owned a hesalite 1861 closed caseback version in the past and now looking to get a Speedy back on my wrist, I'm wrestling with these same questions myself. The older longer lugs are more beautiful for sure, these new ones look a bit truncated. Else the new version is attractive. From my own experience I prefer the hacking seconds and slimmer case on the new one, but like the dial and the lugs more on the old version. Not sure how far back into the catalogue you would be willing to venture, but a 3572.50 could be worth a look with its hesalite crystal and sapphire caseback if you decide to ditch your current one.

You already listed all the great improvements about 3861. All you need to do is look at the dial and occasionally flip the back.

Omega can replace the dial on the 2220.80 but it's another $460 on top of the standard service cost. But at least you get your old dial back (unlike Rolex).

I owned both of these models. I sold the 42mm version. It was just a bit too large for my 6.9 inch wrist. Thick and chunky. I wear the 2220.80 almost every day. The fit is so much better (for me anyway). And I love the dial as there's so much texture and interesting things going on. I wear it on a Forstner Bullet bracelet (like the current gen Speedy bracelet). It tapers from 20mm to 16mm so it has a much more refined look to it. And I like the connection to my favorite Bond movie, Casino Royale.

You’re downgrading over 0.5mm on either end of the lugs? In my opinion, yes - that’s nuts. No way I would give up all the other improvements - particularly with the movement - over a minuscule dimension. Especially not if I already had the watch.

You’re giving me a heart attack with than pen. 🙈

If you’re that particular, then you should “downgrade”. All the best.

The asymmetry is so iconic that I literally never noticed it before

Do these transitional SMPs have double AR coating like the ceramic models?

Let me correct you a little there at the start of the video, the current SM300 is far from the "best" and is usually less preferred to it's 41mm predecessor SMPc. Cheeers.

I think you are are slightly obsessed/crazy, but I also get how these things get inside your head. I sold my Omega seasmaster 300m NTTD despite loving the aesthetic, because the dial hands didn't offer enough contrast in low light.

It’s all in the details, so no, you’re not nuts. The 1861 is a beautiful watch that feels old skool. Closer to the 861 than the new model. With a Forstner 1450 bracelet fitted with the pressed clasp it’s THE perfect Moonwatch.

Yes, you are nuts.

Watch people are nuts

Btw, I absolutely agree with your tool vs luxury view on what Omega should do next.

I have never quite understood the hype behind Speedmasters, especially the printed dial versions. Next to your PO and AT, which are both awesome, I wouldn't even look at it. Having said that, as an enthusiast, I totally understand your issue with the design details. From that perspective, switching to a Speedmaster that shares the same (and your preferred) design cues as the other two Omegas makes perfect sense - so long as you are fine with the trade offs.

I own the 1861 and I would like to address why I haven’t upgraded and why I prefer the hesalite. Though I love exhibition case backs, there is no crystal as beautiful as a well made acrylic. The curvaceous nature, the distortion, the clarity and warmth transforms the watch. In regards to the movement, there is something very enjoyable about having a classical movement that has been in the speedmaster since the 60’s. The 1861 just differs from the 861 due to the finishing and for a collector it’s really nice to have a classic movement in the collection. If I only had one Omega, I’d go for a piece with a modern movement, but having more, I feel the 1861 makes my collection more interesting. In regards to the bracelet, though this is an unpopular opinion, I feel that the clasp is too thin and on my wrist it looks too dainty and not adequate for a sports/tool watch. The changes on the dial, I either prefer slightly or am relatively indifferent to (like the DON). Finally the lugs - I hadn’t considered your perspective of how the lugs don’t twist outwards but I always felt the slightly longer lugs looked better. The shorter lugs made the watch look chubbier and less sleek. Sorry for the long rant, but you touched on a subject that I’ve thought about many times. Cheers.

May I know what is the bracelet on that PO2500?

You’re nuts for downgrading

So happy with my 1968 transitional 861. Buy oldest ones!!!

Do what you feel is right. The new ones have wonderful features, but they are minuscule in difference to earlier models, in my opinion. I have a 2000ish 3570.50 that keeps 0.0 +/- per day consistently and wouldn't need service for another 5 to 10 years, I would think. You can sell that one and buy a 3570.50 for less than $4000 and then, perhaps, look for a vintage Moonwatch that fits other things you seek (i.e. Pre-Moon, 321, Vintage, etc.). Given today's pricing you could probably wind up with 2 that fit all your needs, and then some.

I purchased the 1861 New Old Stock and had the chance to get the 3861 for just a few hundred dollars more. However, I went with the 1861 and have no regrets. I wasn't a fan of the shorter, stubbier appearance of the 3861. Additionally, I believe the 1861 has a more refined finish on the case compared to the 3861. I compared both models at the AD after a reviewer indicated this on his channel. I agree with him. After you pointed out the details about the lugs, I appreciate my 1861 even more. Thanks! BTW I also have the same Planet Ocean 2500. My first real watch.

“Wouldn’t wear it with a tuxedo 🤵🏻 unless I have too”🤔 are you a real life 007🧐?

I knew the was something different! I never liked the new 3861, even had a chance to get it when it came out but I picked the old 1861. I’m a bigger buy and liked the way it wore better, plus the new one looked too blingy and “perfect”, now that you’ve pointed the details I love it even more. The new features didn’t appeal to me, I think these smaller men in the hobby are influencing watch companies to go smaller and it’s ridiculous!

I bought the Aqua Terra in 2023. My first luxury watch. The lume was subpar. The bracelet didn’t have Tfit and it was top heavy. I then bought the Rolex Starbucks submariner and it fits beautifully without and of omegas setbacks. I put a Artem strap on the omega and my wife likes to put it on her wrist. lol. I won’t ever sell my first omega but it has stopped me from owning other omega. I have purchased 6 Rolex since then

stay with the 3861. It is an awesome watch

The "downgrade" is an upgrade...

I just got the old generation but the 36 mm one. As you can imagine I like compact sizes, so the new Seamesters wouldn't have been for me anyway. Even though we have the same wrist diameter, and they seem to fit well on you.

Deets on the brown strap?

If you dont like this design detail, it is absolutely justifued to go for the older version. Just make sure you wont dislike any of the design and techical downgrades you get doing this