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Thank you. And you are welcome.

You are welcome!

I recon I can find or figure something out.

Ya…I don’t think so.

@ I googled the tier by name and there are references to some old articles and his designs so I will have to dig deeper and see what is available. Seems like with a paucity of information the designs are open to interpretation by people who carry them forward.

@@chili1593 Streamer Fly Tying and Fishing by Joseph Bates has 17 of Oatman’s patterns. And yes he is mentioned in a number of other books and articles. My source is Mike Valla.

@ I have Vallas book it’s great. You’ve inspired me to create a library. I’m going to see if I can find a magazine article that one person alluded to that might provide greater insight. I was reading about how some flies were reverse engineered to come up with the recipes if the original was not forthcoming or available.

@@chili1593 Ah, yes. My library grows, too. And I’m blaming Valla for much of the new additions.

And thanks again for more great tips!

You are welcome!

Thanks! I’m always interested in others ideas on how to interpret the ingredients in these old flies.

Thank you!

LOL!

You are welcome. I’m thinking I should have tried to find a bit smaller yellow chenille.

@ experimentation furthers as does perseverance

Thanks. I had to work at this one.

Quite true. But we all need to begin somewhere and hopefully we all improve. In many ways I am a much better tier today than I was a year ago because I dared to record and post the early flies I tied. And thank you for commenting. Let me know when you start your channel so I can subscribe and learn even more.

So many things about it are different. But I’ve also heard it does not fish well. If the tippet is too light, it helicopters; and the wings are prone to breaking off. Still, one of the “founding” flies.

@ that’s interesting and useful information. Wonder if it was designed for a specific type of water or condition.

@@chili1593 Yes. Marinaro designed it for slow waters in Pennsylvania after realizing the Catskill style dries used on fast Catskill streams did not work as well where he was fishing. He did a good deal of nature observation of the mayfly hatches in his area and developed flies he believed more closely matched what he saw.

@ interesting!

You are welcome! Tight lines!

LOL. only three marabou, but it is a 4x long hook.

@ my dog would chase it.

@@chili1593 LOL

Thanks for the great tips. I’m always wanting to improve. And you are welcome!

yup, dubbing the muskrat that way does result in a buggy body.

Wet flies have a lot in common. Thanks!

I like it, too, even if Leisenring is particular about the ingredients he used.

Thanks!

I’ve found Mile Valla’s The Founding Flies very informative as he chronicles the lives and and history of the American fly tiers that shaped American fly tying.

@ Valla himself is very interesting.

@@chili1593 I’ll have to learn more about him, too.

@ In 1969, the 15-year-old Valla took a bus from his hometown of Binghamton to fish the Beaverkill. Winnie Dette, who had sold Valla flies earlier that day, sent Walt - by now already famous - to track Valla down on the river and make sure he didn’t miss the bus home. “From that time forward,” Valla writes, “I stayed with the Dettes on many occasions, particularly during teenage and college summers. I fondly remember Winnie tucked in her fly-tying cubbie on the right side while Walt tied in his domain to her left. I usually squeezed in between them, intently watching Walt while persistently tugging at Winnie to talk about the famous Catskill fly-tiers.” Valla soaked up the banter in the Dettes’ fly shop, hanging out with luminaries like Art Flick. By the time he finished high school, he knew the Beaverkill so well he was a little sick of it.

@@chili1593 quite the man

You are welcome. And totally.

I just hope I did it justice.

It is a fun one!

Thanks.

You are too kind. But, thank you!

You are welcome.

Why, thank you! Gonna do up the fly from the picture now.

Makes sense. Thanks.

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I forgot to mention each individual strand is thicker but flatter than most tying chenille

I’m sure I could have built a chenille body, and it’s certainly an option for this fly. I went with the dubbing body partly because I like the buggy look and otherwise because I didn’t want to to all wraps I would need to taper the body with chenille. So may ways to tie so many flies, none THE right way, none THE wrong. Thanks for watching and commenting!

It’s another one I would probably not fish here in SW Missouri. But it is quite the fly.

George Harvey caught many a big trout on it, so ya!

I like it, too!

Thanks!

I have not fished it. I might use it for bass here. Our trout are either hatchery brats or feed on midges.

@ gotcha thanks!

Thank you for the tip. I will certainly try that on my next one.

I think that’s an Allen D101

Well… thank ye!!!

Actually not. I’ve not chewed my nails since my mom scolded me for it in second grade. My left thumb has an injury from a screw bit that slipped off the screw head and mangled it. My right thumb has a hollow that was accentuated by the lighting. It’s cause is probably nutritional, though I do take my vitamins and collagen and generally eat a decent diet.

@@AndysFlies ahh makes sense. I gnaw on mine like some folks go to church.

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk LOL

I’ve had up to 1/0 hooks in those jaws. I just seat the hook farther into the jaw. I know they are midge jaws. They were on the vise when I got it. I’ve been thinking of switching back to the original, but I haven’t considered the “hassle” worth it enough yet.

@@AndysFlies Thanks for the response.

@@danjohnson2098 you are welcome

It does give a “perfectly” sized wing.

@@AndysFliesits nifty. I learn new useful things every day! Thanks

@@chili1593 You are welcome

You are welcome!

Well, it is special. ;-)

You are welcome!

It’s fun to finally have some ingredients that are called for.

@ some tier said if you have more than 3 you’re a hoarder. I plead guilty. I got tired of not having the materials I needed to tie a variety of flies.

​@@chili1593 LOL I did just mention to a friend here that my amassing of materials may just be getting out of hand. His reply was, “That is what happens."

@ I took a class tonight with a fellow whose dad gifted him tools and materials that were amazing. It does happen!

@@chili1593 I good deal of my arsenal was gifted to me. It’s great to have benefactors.

I just have the one, so far, but am really finding it informative.

That’s what it was designed for. Tight lines!

Welcome! and you are welcome. I’m enjoying the pursuit.

Thank you! and to you as well!